| Topic Starting 4 June, 2004:This weeks Topic: What Vests have you found that work well for covering holsters? Why does it work well? What Vests have you tried that didn't work well for you? Why not? | ||
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I've been wearing 3 piece suits for a long time, so it occasions no
question. The vest covers an inside waist band holster. The
vest doesn't ride up, but when I put the gun back after getting out of a
prohibited area I didn't fully push the vest back over the gun, my legal
assistant asked if there was a new death threat.
Vests need to be slightly looser, fortunately there is an understanding
seamstress next to my office.
--- Kevin
I have a Cabela's Safari vest (product XD-902478) that I use concurrently for concealed carry, camera gear, and nav/com (navigation/communications such as GPS, walkie talkies, cell phones) and spare batteries for all of the aforementioned. As someone has stated on the MOCCW site, it simply screams "MAN WITH GUN(S)" to any of us who 'understand'. But to the unwashed masses, I just look like a gadget geek (which is an honest appraisal). As a matter of fact, when I recently did the MS Walk For A Cure, I decided to weigh without the vest and with it loaded. I found that I was carrying nearly 23 pounds of gear in it's 16 pockets. The cargo manifest included, but was not limited to: Bersa Thunder Ultra Compact .45 ACP pistol with 8 rounds of 230 grain ball on board Extra 7-round magazine (also 230 gr. ball) Cell phone with extra battery and hand generator for cell phone Digital camera and four extra AA batteries HP Jornada Pocket PC 2 quart GI plastic canteen full of ice and water Dried fruit, hard candy, Wallet, cash, credit cards, Gerber Chameleon folding knife All the normal junk that normally lives in my jeans pockets (clippers, keys, hearing aid batteries, change, breath savers, lint, etc.) Small folding tool kit (similar to Leatherman) with sockets Two family channel walkie-talkies with their 4-each AAA battery compliment Garmin hand held GPS Small towel and two handkerchiefs. Two small flashlights Laser pointer (for signaling search aircraft over the Disney World parking lot) Two ball point pens And a partridge in a pear tree Why, you may ask, would anyone in their right mind carry all that crud on an MS Walk? Well, I didn't expect to have to go into survival mode in the urban environment in which the walk was held (although there are many different interpretations of "survival", I think). I did, however, want to find out how well the vest performed for some long hikes we take in rural Missouri, New Mexico, and Arizona. It did very well. It is well ventilated and has a mesh liner that really allowed a lot of circulation. By the end of the walk, I knew I was packing 20+ pounds but it rode very well. Compared to the 80# ruck I carried in Vietnam, it was, literally and figuratively, a walk in the park. The plethora of inside and outside pockets (16 of 'em in all!) lets you tailor your firearm access to your own individual taste (right/left/inside/outside/flapped/unflapped, etc.). The weight is well spread on your shoulders by the wide yokes. Obviously, if a gun is all you're carrying, you may need to counterbalance the other side with a 16 ounce Mountain Dew and a Double Dagwood sandwich. Aside from looking like Bozo Bwanna with my "Greg Norman" straw hat, the vest really has no glaring detractions. Cute little clips and zippered pockets for your keys and 'secret' stuff are nice. Available in tan or British tan (lighter tan), Small thru 5XL (in which you can park most of a Class C Motorhome). $49.95 to $52.95. I like it a lot. Not for everyday casual wear or evening dress but very utilitarian for people who like to carry not only the necessities (aka, personal protection equipment), but also, some luxuries (like toilet paper and iodine tablets) when they're on a walkabout. I can almost assure you, that if you're attending a presidential election rally, loaded as I was, you WILL attract the attention of at least one Secret Service dude. Back off on the cargo a little, and it won't be quite as tempting for him to frisk you. Fortunately, at my age, I don't much care if people think I look like a nerd or Great White Hunter wannabe. Those who care, don't matter. And those who matter, don't care. If people think I'm a goofy eccentric who dresses funny, that's fine. If they think I look like an easy mark, that's their problem. Trust me. It WILL BE their problem. Walk softly (through the jungle)... and carry a big stick (that makes a lot of noise and a ball of fire the size of a garbage can). Have a great day. Be safe, be happy, be ready, be armed. Dick
As a motorcyclist, I frequent a lot of M/C shops, and I found a rather heavy black leather vest that works very well for me. I believe it was actually intended as some sort of shooters vest as it came with 3 elastic cartridge loops sewn above each breast pocket. The weight of the vest helps prevent the weapon from being flashed by the vest "blowing open". (allowing me to be armed on my bike) I generally carry a Mid-sized Glock under the vest; but also occassionally carry an N-frame S/W revolver. The semi-auto is usually in an IWB holster; the roller in a "pancake" type belt holster.......both on the strong side. A problem area with many of the photographer's vests is the arm holes, which are usually large enough that the grip of the holstered weapon sometimes shows under your arm. As a Private Investigator licensed in both Missouri and Kansas, I have carried concealed on the job for over 25 years. I find that the Photo vests usually attract professional (Police) attention; but work well around average folks. I have had "street-wise individuals of questionable reputation" tell me they never trust "anyone" wearing that kind of clothes. Maybe that's a good thing; maybe it isn't. The best Photo Vest I ever found was marketed by Banana Republic in their mail-order days. Recently, I have had good luck with vests from Sportman's Guide (mail-order or over the net). S/G also has occassionally offered a Photographers jacket with removable sleeves that can be used as a vest OR a jacket. I would suggest that when selecting a vest, one should consider the following:
Length: Should be long enough to cover the holster at all times.....for an IWB rig this means at least about 3 inches below the belt line. For the belt rigs, I like a vest that comes to about 2 to 3 inches below the top of the front pockets of my jeans.
Arm holes: As described above; make sure the gun doesn't show through them. When checking this area out, don't just stand still and look in the mirror, reach up above your head, bend over, etc.
Fit: You should avoid a "snug fit" around the waist, as this will "print' and possibly impair our ability to access the weapon.
Lining: In practicing draws from concealment, I have had problems with net linings snagging on hammers and sights, and have had the lining snag on the holstered weapon while seated in the car which resulted the the vest being bunched up around the gun when I exited. I would recommend removing such material from the area around the holster.
Magazines and speedloaders: They should be carried on the belt..NEVER in one of the multiple pockets of a photo vest. In an emergency, you'll always reach into the wrong pocket, Trust me....
Hope this is of some use and interest.. Bob
A while back I started a "string" on this subject by asking: "...Has anyone found a lightweight summer vest that doesn't make you look like the "Great Safari Hunter", and also is reasonably priced?..." Thanks to a response from Bob Delph, I was directed to: http://www.concealedcarryoutfitters.com/ I am now the proud owner of a "Hot Weather IDPA Vest" from CCO. It meets and exceeds every requirement (including reasonably priced) that I had! Their vests are made in their own shop in Kamiah, ID (not imports). Their vests have four interior pockets for extra Mag's, etc., and three exterior pockets ( I particularly like the upper left breast pocket for my eye glasses case). If you are a person like me who is carrying in an OWB holster (a "wheel gun" lover), this vest is perfect. Check it out! Cheers,
R.N. "Dick"
hi: this is a situation i have solved with a denim (blue jean) vest a size or two larger than i normally wear. i purchased it from sportsman's guide via the internet for around 16 bucks i think. while it doesn't sport the large number of pockets some of the other vests do, there are two large inside pockets and two large outside pockets. there are also two button closure chest pockets. it is a bit heavy for real hot weather wear, but certainly does the job nicely. heavy enough that it doesn't 'ride' up or get bloused out by a breeze. i have felt very comfortably
'concealed' in this vest. however, i wouldn't recommend it for owb carry except for fairly small firearms. i carry a compact 'nine' in an iwb rig and it works fine. most of the time after i am wearing the rig a few minutes, i 'forget' it is there. i wear it strong side behind the hip with a forward cant. easy to get to with the vest, as it flies out of the way as you brush your hand back toward the weapon.
For fall and winter carry, there are many manufacturers of "fleece" zip vests. I have several, my favorite sports a real cute little red and yellow bird. MU fans will recognize the bird as the mascot of a neighboring school that often appears in the NCAA tournament. But I digress. The nice thing about the fleece vests is that the fleece is bumpy and uneven, so its pretty hard to print. Also, most have elastic in the waistband, so they can stretch around holsters, phones, batons and tires (spare). Unlike photographer and safari vests, they don't scream GUN. In fact, with appropriate college logos (something in say, Red and Blue) can say, "I am a distinguished person of whom the law abiding should have no fear -- and I have nice taste in cool weather clothing". Of course, a bad choice would be anything with an excess of gold and black, which (like silver and black logos, I think you will agree) say, "I am a troglodyte". Again I digress. When its a bit colder, my browning vest (designed to be zipped into my Browning jacket, works well for casual walks at night, but does not provide enough coverage to withstand bending and reaching. -derek
I have a Royal Robbins 5.11 for my heavy lifting but I found a really neat golf vest at the airport PGA shop. It is loose above the waist band and provides full coverage for my galco iwb and Kimber compact aluminum. It has a net liner which I had my seamstress wife slit and stitch in a small panel of lightweight felt over the "print" area. It works great, doesn't look like a carry vest and has a neat little golfer on the breast as camoflage. Cool. Jim
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